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Discussion about “Q&A: stamps of Germany and German areas”

  1. Borge Sorensen wrote:

    Hi , guys the point is that I have 2 old stamps about 20 years ago ...and they are issued in DDR now deutschland or germany ,..referring to 35 Jahre Kampf Gruppen der Arbeiteklasse ..and the other one referring to 200 hundrerd year french revolution...I need to know how much are my stamps worth??..
    Anybody can help me with this?

  2. Keijo wrote:

    Hi Borge,

    Unfortunately your stamps don't have anything else besides memorabilia value.

  3. FRED MUGURUZA wrote:

    Help anyone!
    I have two different stamps(paintings)by C.D. Friedrich, one issued by German Federal Republic on 1974 (SG 1711) the other by DDR same year (SG E-1673).
    Now, they are reproductions of the same(or should be)artwork...but on the stamps, anyone can notice they are different!!!...why so????
    I have another similar example, but for the moment I'll be happy if someone can explain this anomaly?

    Sorry I didn't put the images here...but I think I've gave information enough for the ocassion...thanks to the clever one!...

  4. Keijo wrote:

    Just a quick reply (my misses will come back from her Zumba-lesson soon any minute)...

    According to Michel (and I trust it 100% when it comes to German stamps) they are of different works... The DDR stamp is of "Zwei Männer in Betrachtung des Mondes" (1819); the BRD stamp is "Mann und Frau den Mond betrachtend" (1835)

    Very similar, but lightly different...

  5. FRED MUGURUZA wrote:

    You're amazing!...what else can I say?... Thanks a lot!

    By the way..."Zumba-lesson"????...hmmmm....
    Hei,hei

  6. Keijo wrote:

    By the way…”Zumba-lesson”????…hmmmm….
    Yep. Once a week Zumba class (for beginners) is something her friend got her to try. But I think she prefers kettlebell (girya) much more.

  7. Andy McKee wrote:

    On a recent vacation in Europe I invested 42 euros in the 2011/2012 Michel Germany catalogue. My only catalogue experience to date has been Scott so this makes a very good comparison. My impression so far is that it is much better for the Germany collector than Scott - maybe I have some of those elusive East Germany watermark rarities! Being in German language is not too big a challenge even for a non-reader like me. I found the following link which may help other users
    http://www.briefmarken.de/pdf/Englisch.pdf.
    The bigger challenge is how to use the included Michelsofteasy 9.0. I have installed it OK but can anyone offer any pointers on how to use it?

  8. Keijo wrote:

    @Andy... That is a great link You've got :)

    Re, MichelSoft Easy 9... It's a light (heavily limited) version of the actual MichelSoft-software. A bit of rubbish IMHO (unlike the full version, which is one of the best commercial stamp inventory applications).

  9. Rick Young wrote:

    I ran across a set of Deutsches Reich General Gouvernment stamps. Four are from a commemorative series of semi postal and one shows a castle. What are these things? Do I need to post some pics? The denomination looks like Zlotys (Poland?). Thanks!

  10. Keijo wrote:

    @Rick...General Government was a part of Poland under Nazi rule during World War II. It was a separate region of the Greater German Reich (Großdeutsches Reich).

  11. Rick Young wrote:

    thanks!

  12. mrprgrmr wrote:

    I'm trying to put brief historical notes with my stamps. It is really interesting - I always wondered how a guy I know could spend hours on a single stamp. Now I know.

    Anyways, does anyone know why the 1923 "Rhein Ruhr Hilfe" overprint/semi-postal was issued? The stamp is Scott #B5 or Michel 258(?). One location I found suggests it was to support resistance to the French occupation of the area. Another suggests it was relief to flood victims. I'm inclined to believe the latter but I haven't found anything online describing a flood in 1923, except possibly intentional flooding of cool mines in resistance to the occupation.

  13. Keijo wrote:

    @mrprgrmr... Good question. I checked my copy of Michel Germany Specialized, but no information on this topic. Just half a page of print variations etc "technical stuff".... BTW. The set is Michel #258-260.

  14. Tucker wrote:

    OKay so i was going through my germany stamps and found two "generalgouvernment" stamps not in my scott catalog (or at least not easy to find). I have a 12c purple and 24c red, here is a link with a picture

    http://colnect.com/en/stamps/stamp/168578-Effigy_of_Hitler-Effigy_of_Hitler-Germany_-_Generalgouvernement

    Can someone give me some info about the stamps and possibly catalog numbers?

  15. Keijo wrote:

    @Tucker... See Poland, Occupation stamps, Issued under German Occupation. They should be there (like all the General Gouvernement stamps)

  16. Tucker wrote:

    Hey the Picture link doesn't work. Thanks for the answer to the German stamps, would have never looked in Poland.

  17. Keijo wrote:

    @Tucker... Link fixed. Thanks for the notification.

  18. Diana wrote:

    REAL or FAKE ?
    I have started working my way through a box of German stamps that I inherited. I have noticed that quite a few of the used stamps have Scott values in italics which seems to mean there are forgeries. I think mine are REAL since the original owner was German and since she died in 1945 these stamps have been in a suitcase untouched for years.
    These stamps are mostly from 1930s-but some are earlier.

    Are there any easy ways to tell? or do you know of any other websites/references? Right now I only have Scott catalog.

  19. Diana wrote:

    Another question for you and your blog followers. I have discovered some valuable MNH souvenir sheets from 1930s ($200-1000 US Scott).

    What do you and your readers think the best way to store these would be? Stock book doesn't seem best as a large part of the sheet would be exposed.

  20. Keijo wrote:

    @Diana... Actually the italics in Scott indicate that editors don't have enough information about the markets/value for the specific stamp. So it's not related to existence of forgeries (or their lack thereof).

    I'd say your best bet is to find a copy of Michel Germany/Deutchland specialized catalog (available in English and Germany) somewhere. It's simply MUCH more accurate and information filled than Scott or any website there is. It's pretty close to being a "perfect stamp catalog" (if such can exist).

    As for storage of sheets... Lighthouse produces so called "sheet stock books" called BOGA 4. Well equipped stamp dealers should be able to provide these (some may have BOGA 3, which is even larger). Other stock book brands/manufacturers should have somewhat similar products.

  21. Diana wrote:

    Thanks Keijo. I reread the beginning of the Scott catalogue, missed the original definition of the italic values.

  22. John Collins wrote:

    Hi, I have a question about a series of german stamps that start in 1900 (Germania mit kaiserkrone). They seem to go to 1923. Do you have any advice in trying to sort these. What are the difference I the series. I feel that I am separating out spares that maybe are from a different year. I'm almost regretting attacking my inspected German stamps. Well almost :)
    Any help is greatly appreciated

  23. Keijo wrote:

    @John...

    I have a question about a series of german stamps that start in 1900 (Germania mit kaiserkrone). They seem to go to 1923. Do you have any advice in trying to sort these.

    On simplified level these are pretty simple to work:

    1) Place stamps into 3 piles: A) inscription REICHSPOST B) inscription DEUTCHES REICH C) any overprints

    2)
    All stamps from pile A were issued in 1900 - no major varieties in these

    All stamps from pile C relate to World War I or Inflation era - again no major varieties in these

    As for remaining stamps - pile C - these can be any of the of 3 watermarks (rarely in positions) or unwatermarked. Just check the watermarks stamp by stamp - most should be pretty easy to notice on bare eye from the back.

    3) Finally there's the wartime printing for stamps with first watermark type (Diamonds, or "Rauten" as Germans call them). The wartime printing stamps have somewhat weaker / poorer print output.

    I could write a long post on topic, but basically it boils down to just one: get yourself a copy of Michel Germany / Deutchland Specialized catalog (volume 1) . It's essential for working with these, and goes much further than what I wrote above.

  24. jill bullock wrote:

    HELP?
    I have a postcard issued to lament the "death" of the Wurttemberg stamps, postally used and cancelled in 1902. It shows a man trying to keep an eagle from grabbing a stamp showing "Bayern" and a skeleton digging a grave and a man sitting crying over another "Bayern" stamp. The eagle has a German stamp clutched in its talons.

    Can anyone assist me in finding out the value of this item and how to go about selling it?

  25. Keijo wrote:

    @Jill... I confess that I have no clue whatsoever (especially without an image), but as an educated guess I'd say it's likely in pricerange of 1-5€. Just place it on sale either at eBay.de or Delcampe.de with pictures of front & back, and with minimum reserve; then just see how it goes. If it's worth something, the price will go up. If not, then it will sell for peanuts.

  26. John Collins wrote:

    Hi keijo,

    Thanks for the information on my German stamp collection. I managed to get a michel 2004 catalogue. I think their layout is good compared to some of my sg catalogues, alot more info it seems. Anyway hopefully I can keep expanding the German part of my collection in an orderly way. It's like dealing with twenty countries.

  27. Dan H wrote:

    Hi, I have a geman first day cover envelope from 26/03/1969 (the date is printed with the picute and is also on the post mark) with a picture of Kaiser Wilhelm I on it.

    I can't find any info on it at all, does anyone think its worth anything?

  28. Keijo wrote:

    @Dan H... Based on quick browse to catalog index, the only German stamp(s) issued on 26/3/1969 is a set of 3 from the West Berlin series "Berliner der 19. Jahrhunderdts" (Berlin citizens of 19th century).

    So are you certain you have an FDC, and not pictorial postmark (SondernStempel as German call them)? If it's an FDC, the postmark (and cover) should say something like "Ersttagsbriefe". Either way, it sounds like something most sellers would place in one buck basket (=no real value with it, just handling fees).

  29. Dan H wrote:

    Thanks for the reply keijo, it does say Berliner der 19. Jahrhunderdts" and First Day Cover Ersttagsbrief and the post mark says- berliner des-19.jahrhunderts-berlin 12- Ersttag

    So the one dollar bin then eh? Thanks anyway!

  30. Keijo wrote:

    @Dan... Catalog value for FDC is 6€, but I notice plenty of unsold lots online at $2 - so either there's no interest, or pricing is too much. I did found a German online stamp shop selling these at 50c a piece.

  31. steve wrote:

    Hi, i have these stamps, i don't know how much they are worth, have done some looking around but can not seem to find any answers really, thanks for your help, image below!

    http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o600/stevenb1989/IMG-20120808-00172.jpg

  32. Keijo wrote:

    @Steve... They seem to be German (Reich) stamps issued in 1933, Michel catalog number #508-511. Catalog value for the set is 400€ if hinged, and 1,000€ if mint set. These were issued in block/sheet originally (worth about 7x more than the singles you have). Before you get too excited, there are few caveats.

    First, Michel has a footnote about forged overprints. So I would get these expertized by BPP (German expertizing organization. It is a MUST DO if you are planning to sell these with full value (but without a doubt they will sell also without a certificate - but for less money). Certification itself costs few percentages of stamps value. The image you provide is way too blurry/inaccurate to say anything for sure whether these are real or not.

    Secondly, condition matters a lot. Be aware that even the slightest of faults will push down value/price down significantly. It is extremely rare that stamps sell for full catalogue value or more; most of the time they sell around 10/30/50-60% of catalog value (depending on stamp/markets etc. factors).

    But all in all, you've landed with some nice stuff that will be worth something (even if forgeries).

  33. steve wrote:

    @Keijo Thank you for the reply, which was very useful to know!
    i have to images (links below) if i may ask you to look at as well?
    on the image (Scan000114.jpg) at the bottom line of the stamp, 4th stamp across
    the stamp has holes which looks like a (V) & (b) in the stamp it self
    i am not to sure the i could be wrong, could you have a look at the image?

    on the other image ( scan0001) would you tell me about them all?
    they seem very interesting to me,

    i have also made sure the images are good quality for you to look at

    images links.

    (Scan000114.jpg)
    http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o600/stevenb1989/Scan000114.jpg

    (Scan0001.jpg)
    http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o600/stevenb1989/Scan0001.jpg

    thank you for your time Steve

  34. Keijo wrote:

    @Steve... Regarding the holes inside a stamp. That is known as perfin (or "lochnung" in Germany). This Wikipedia entry will fill you with some basic details of perfins: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfin

    I don't know how many different perfins there are for old Germany, but they are MANY. All in all the 114.jpg seems like a pretty ordinary mix of older German stamps. Value pretty close to null.

    The latter image (1.jpg) consists of nazi-german officials. Catalog value for the set is roughly 10€ if hinged, mint never hinged is roughly 5x more. Definitely an attractive looking set (though there seems to be few short perfs/faults, that will melt away some of the value)

  35. Jesus B. Martret wrote:

    hi Keijo,

    I would like to sort my used collection of German stamps, and to separate duplicates and collection.

    Would I need two stocksbooks, for duplicates and collection? A Michel english-german catalogue?and searching and marking numbers? Is there any method?.

    Thanking you in anticipation.

    Best Regards

  36. Keijo wrote:

    @Jesus...

    Would I need two stocksbooks, for duplicates and collection?

    Not necessarily. For example I keep my duplicates loose in boxes, some are in glassine envolopes. Much cheaper, and works well for me as I don't exchange by catalog numbers.

    A Michel english-german catalogue? ?and searching and marking numbers? Is there any method?.

    Again not necessarily... Basically it's your collection, and you can order the stamps in any way You use wish.
    It can be by Michel catalog numbers, or some other catalog (Scott, Yvert, Stanley Gibbons etc)... Or it can be fully random order, like by size, color, nominal value etc.
    What matters is that You find a system that works for You.

  37. Mary wrote:

    Hello Keijo,

    Currently I am trying to arrange my German stamps and because I don't have a catalogue handy, I've grouped them as follows: Bayern, Deutsche Post, Deutsche Bundespost, Reich Post, Deutsche Reich, DDR and Deutschland. And there is also one marked as Dienstmarke. Do these represent the years that they were issued and what would they be?

    I just want to be able to group them easily so I can put them in stock sheets. This is a temporary arrangement and more detailed study will be done later.

    Thanks.

  38. Keijo wrote:

    @Mary...

    Do these represent the years that they were issued and what would they be?

    Pretty accurately...

    Bavaria was a German state that issued stamps between 1849 - 1920.

    As for Germany itself, it has issued stamps under many names. Below are some important main timelines:
    * Reichs Post (1851 - 1901)
    * Deutches Reich (1902 - 1945, last years have also some stamps with inscription Grossdeutches Reich)
    * Deutche Post (1945-1950) - occupied Germany
    * Deutche Bundespost - West Germany from 1951 up to 1990
    * DDR - East Germany from 1951 up to 1990
    * Deutchland - Re-united Germany from 1990s onwards

    The one with inscription Dienstmarke is an German official stamp from the 1920s.

  39. Mary wrote:

    Thanks Keijo. When I googled this, it only gave me the names of the postal authority and didn't really say which order they came in.

  40. Rick Young wrote:

    From the picture posted at the URL below, I was wondering if you could help me identify a few DDR items (or perhaps one is a German issue). The one is similar to a DDR 2029 souvenir sheet (SS), but it is in black and white. The other item may be a similar thing, but I could not find a corresponding SS. For grins, I also included another special item that commemorates the APS Convention held in my town, Columbus,OH, in 1975. The stamp I am not at all sure about. Thanks!

    http://fisher.osu.edu/~young_53/DDR%20September%202012

  41. Keijo wrote:

    @Rick... Great finds :)

    The first one is indeed similar to 1979 exhibition sheet, and the latter (with airplane) is similar to 1980 miniature sheet for AEROSOZPHILEX exhibition. As for what these are... These are so called blackprints (in german schwarzdruck), which is stamp terminology for "commercial proof print". Essentially these were printed and released for publicity purposes (editorial matter to newspapers, stamp magazines etc) prior to the stamps themselves being issued; lateron these have been released for sale (to collectors) at too. Blackprints are printed in black/white (thus the name) and have usually no gumming. These have no postal validity, and thus face value is either omitted from print, or otherwise made void.

    Michel Germany specialized has footnotes of your items, and they have catalog value of roughly 10$ a piece (however, you can usually buy the commonly available blackprints such as these for $1-2)... A lot of countries have issued blackprints (Sweden, Austria etc).

    As for the red stamp with face value of 12 pfennigs... It's from occupied Germany, more precisely Soviet zone state of East Saxony.

  42. Rick Young wrote:

    Thanks for the help, Keijo. :)

  43. Bill wrote:

    I have quite a large number of German CTO's that are on card stock from the Deutsche Post. They are marked ERSTTAGSBLATT. They are like first day covers. Do you know how to value them? Is there more info I can get regarding the entire series? Each has some info on the back of the card.
    Thanks,
    bill

  44. Keijo wrote:

    @Bill... Like their German name suggests, these are 'first day presentation sheets'. They are issued for just about every issue that gets an official FDC, so there are 40-50 different ones each year (and in total there are likely 1,000+ different ones as these has been issued since 1975). ETB's are listed by Michel, and their catalog value is usually the same or slightly above the value of used items (but almost always less than the value of FDC).... The problem with these is that very few collectors beside topical collectors desire these. These are big, clumsy and hard-to-store items.

  45. Bill wrote:

    Blessings to you Keijo. I have been after info for quite some time. I love the site.

    Bill

  46. Rick Young wrote:

    I am trying to understand the differences between Germany Scott nos. 75 (carmine rose), 92 (carmine rose) and 111 (red). My understanding is 75 is unwatermarked (?). The three stamps I have all have lozenge watermarks. Nos. 75 and 92 have outlined numerals in the upper corner and no flags on the buildings, but No. 111 has plain numerals and flags. So I am sure one is 111, and the other two are not. Here's my question: Scott lists no. 75 as perf "14, 14 1/4 - 14 1/2", but 92 as perf 14 1/2 with "25 X 17 holes". The two stamps I am having trouble with (not no. 111) seem to be perf 14 1/2 X 14 and 14 1/4 X 14. Further, Scott lists them both as carmine rose and both look somewhat brown. Can you help? Thanks!

  47. Rick Young wrote:

    by "both" I mean no. 75 and 92 are listed as carmine rose. :)

  48. Keijo wrote:

    @Rick... Forget perforations, forget colors at this point. There's much more easier way to identify these.

    First check the inscription, then watermark, and finally the design. This way you can narrow your options down to specific major number:

    Inscription: Reichspost -> Mi 63 / Sc 62
    Inscription: Deutches Reich -> Mi 78 or 94 or A 113 / Sc 75 or 92 or 111

    For stamps with Deutches Reich inscription, you should next check watermark:
    Unwatermarked: Mi 78 / Sc 75
    Watermarked: Mi 94 or A A 113 / Sc 92 or 111

    And if watermarked, then you need to check if the design contains flags at the top of building:
    Without flags: Mi 94 / Sc 92
    With flags: Mi A113 / Sc 111

    Once you have identified the major number using above method, you can start worrying about perforation and color.

    The perforations of 1902 and 1905 (Sc. 75 and 92) prints vary from 14-14½, and with these you must count pinholes to find out which perforation variety you got. For others prints it's useless.

    As far as colors go, it ranges a lot with these, and you can't use it as identification characteristics. It's possible that the brownish color is due to oxidization, but it may also be natural.

    Finally there's the question identifying wartime vs. peace printings (with Sc 92)... This is largely about print quality. Poor quality = wartime print. Good quality = peace print. However, I don't think you can never nail this accurately unless you have seen thousands of specimens.

  49. Richard Young wrote:

    Hi, Keijo. It turns out all three had watermarks. One with a flag and two without. For the two without flags they should both be 92 per your explanation above. Scott lists that # 92 has 25 X 17 pinholes, but does not say anything about varieties with other pinholes. I counted one as 25 X 17, but 26 horizontal on the other. Any idea about the number of pinholes on other varieties? Thanks!

  50. Keijo wrote:

    @Rick... Michel as well as Scott Classic Specialized list Scott #92 with 25x17 (92a) and 26x17 (92b) holes.

  51. Rick Young wrote:

    Thanks a lot, Keijo. I hope you are doing well.

  52. Keijo wrote:

    @Rick... No problem... Just having my last day of winter holidays. Sun is shining gorgeously and it feels a bit like spring (but it will drop to -20 celsius pretty soon after the sunset).

  53. Andrew wrote:

    Hello, I have read, with interest, lots of comments and questions on this site. I really enjoy it. Even the information about items for which I have nothing in my collection and unless I get given them, have no intention of buying. The one thing that amazes me is that no one seems to think of joining their local philatelic society. The reason I am here reading this, is because it is about Germany and tonight I am going to my local club and putting up small display of my German stamps. As it is an annual joint meeting with another club from 10 miles away, eight people will be putting up a display of 16 to 20 sheets each. The only problem for Keijo is that for every question that is answered at a club instead of writing here, another two at least need answered

  54. Keijo wrote:

    @Andrew...

    The one thing that amazes me is that no one seems to think of joining their local philatelic society

    I can't speak for others, but for myself the reasons are pretty simple. The nearest club is ~60km away and they get together mid of week right after working hours. So it's a definite no-go for me... These days I consider this blog of mine as a substitution of stamp club. I can share items that I've come across, I can ask questions from other collectors, I can trade stuff etc. And best of all, it's open 24/7/365 and easily accessible where ever I may roam :)

    As for joining the philatelic society... I was a member of Finnish Philatelic Society way, way back (in the 1990s). But eventually I gave up as the annual fees simply did not match the services provided and the whole lot of things were done simply wrong. I confess that over the years I've given thought of joining few other societies / study groups (just to get content that is behind the paywall), but at least for the time being I simply lack will to do that.

    All in all, I see no reason why stamp societies or clubs could not make public websites or blogs like this (instead way too many make the decision to put their content/specialty/knowledge behind a paywall). The thing is that if you build it good, people will come along and participate. Look no further than this blog - it reaches roughly 20,000 stamp collectors (of whom 1,400 subscribe bi-weekly newsletter) worldwide each month. How many stamp clubs or societies can say the same?

  55. Paul Thiessen wrote:

    Hello
    I found a Hitler stamp with an overprint of a solid five pointed start covering Hitler's face. did a search for it and could not find anything like it. Found several examples of where the face was covered with a block of ink, but never a star. Don't know much about the postal history of Germany during the transition after the war, but was thinking that this was something that a local post office did at the end of the war, and post offices just used whatever kind of stamp the had available to blot out the face?

  56. Keijo wrote:

    @Paul... True, after the war, the occupied areas had nothing but old supply of postage stamps. And because Hitler was 'undesired' character, his face was obliterated (or blotted) in any means possible.

    Though I don't have of these in my collection, I've read about these and time again from Michel Specialized. So I can say that there are some local issues (Pirna and Perleberg issues being most common ones) that have used a star design to blot out Hitler's face. Based on the description of solid five pointed star, I would say what you have is one of the Pirna overprints (or fake version of it). Here's a link to German eBay with these: http://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?_nkw=pirna+hitler

  57. Jacques wrote:

    Hi,
    I've just been sorting through the envelope marked "others" with a loupe, this website and google and have put a few stamps to bed. (others will be scanned at some time for your viewing pleasure). Haute Sileste - you have placed in German Plebicite etc. But the stamps themselves have Commission de Gouverment accross the top in French, Ober schlesien (Germany) on the left and Gorny Slask (Poland) on the right. Is this one of those areas that used to change hands whenever there was a war? Can I dump them with Germany and forget about them for a while.

  58. Keijo wrote:

    @Jacques... Shorty put yes to both of your questions.

    Stamps over Upper Silesia belong to same "German Plebiscites' category as stamps of Allenstein, Danzig, Marienwerder,Schleswig etc.

    After WWI there were some areas lacking agreement of ownership/borders. These had a mixed population of German, French, Polish, Danish etc. origin, usually with at least two major ethnic groups. As a way to solve the ownership peacefully, the League of Nations (predecessor of United Nations) made a decision to organize referendums (in latin Plebiscite) so that citizens of the area could decide which nation to belong to. Most of these went easily and quick, but Saar and Danzig took over 10 years to make their mind.

    Stamp wise these areas were a mixture as well... These areas had a mixed governement (ie. French took care of some parts, Germans for others etc). For example Schleswig issued some stamps in German currency and some in Danish currency; the stamps of Upper Silesia were multilingual; Allenstein simply overprinted German stamps; stamps of Saar swing between French and German influences etc.

  59. Jacques wrote:

    Wow, thank you very much, forgive my ignorance.

  60. Kathey wrote:

    Getting the newsletter with updates is wonderful!
    I was getting ready to ask you about sorting German stamps, of which I have "a lot". Lo and behold, you had already given the information to Mary a while ago. I guess I missed it the first time, but not this time!
    Once again your blog has been invaluable!
    Thank you,
    Kathey

  61. Keijo wrote:

    @Kathey...

    Getting the newsletter with updates is wonderful!

    Happy to hear it :)

    I was getting ready to ask you about sorting German stamps, of which I have “a lot”. Lo and behold, you had already given the information to Mary a while ago. I guess I missed it the first time, but not this time!
    Once again your blog has been invaluable!

    Thanks for the praise :cool:

  62. Rick Young wrote:

    Keijo, I ran across a few stamps from Plauen (Russian occupation of East Germany). The two items I have are a perforated and imperforated version of the item on the left in the bottom row (soldier on stallion).
    http://www.stamp-collecting-world.com/localstamps_plauen.html
    Do you know much about these items?
    Thanks.

  63. Rick Young wrote:

    Here's another fun local (I think) issue from Lubbenau (click on the image at the top). I could not find as nice of a description of the history of Lujbbenau online as I did for Plauen.
    http://www.catawiki.com/catalog/stamps/country/germany-local-postal-areas/2999417-lubbenau
    I have the 10+20, 12+28 and 24+56. Do you know much about Lubbenau?

  64. Keijo wrote:

    @Rick... These are part of hugely complex 'WW2 aftermath' locals (similar to Pirna overprints discussed few comments upwards). Michel Specialized has got well over 100 pages of various locals (stamps, overprints etc) listed. I've seen many of these mint, but almost never used.

    Here's what Michel Specialized states for your items:

    The two items I have are a perforated and imperforated version of the item on the left in the bottom row (soldier on stallion).

    They're Michel #5 (perforated 12½) and #5U (imperf).

    The perforated is easy. Catalog value 0.50€ if MH, 1€ if MNH, and 10€ for used. Print run 768,000 copies.

    The imperf... This is where it gets tough.... The specialized Michel has got very little on these. Just a footnote that imperf stamps exist mint, set price 800€ :shock:

    I have the 10+20, 12+28 and 24+56. Do you know much about Lubbenau?

    These would be Michel #9,10 and 12 issued 18th April 1946. Perforation A=10¼:11 or B=imperf; printed on colored paper. Print run for perforated is 50,000 sets; for imperf 10,000 sets.

    Catalog value A-perforated stamps: MNH 1.50€, used 2.50€ each
    Catalog value B-perforated stamps: MNH 4€, used 6€ each

  65. Rick Young wrote:

    KK:
    I have a copy of Germany (Europa 1957), either Scott 772 or 772A. Scott lists 772 as unwatermarked, and 772A as watermark 304 (DBP and Rosettes multiple). My problem is the stamp has a watermark that does I am not sure is the type Scott lists, but perhaps I am wrong. I have a picture (not very good resolution I'm afraid):
    http://fisher.osu.edu/~young_53/Germany%20ID%20Europa
    Is the photo enough help for you to tell? Thanks!

  66. Rick Young wrote:

    I meant 771 (not 772) and 772A!

  67. Rick Young wrote:

    I looked at some other items that are supposed to have that same WM and they look similar to the WM on the 772A, so I guess I solved my own problem! Thanks anyway.

  68. Keijo wrote:

    @Rick... Yep :)

  69. Doug Rees wrote:

    I am forming a specialised collection of DDR stamps, and have a few that i would like to have expertised. As a member of the APS, I can use their expertising service, which costs less and carries a guarantee. However, I note that my Michel Specialised Catalogue states that certain stamps need to be expertised by the German BPP. Would I be better off using the APS or going with the BPP to do my expertising?

  70. Keijo wrote:

    @Doug... Here in Scandinavia, APS certs aren't given much credit except for stamps of US & BNA/Canada. I would think mainland Europe has somewhat similar views.

  71. Doug Rees wrote:

    Thanks, I will go with the BPP. I checked their website, and they have quite a list of expertisers. I will contact a few of them to get price estimates, etc.

  72. Rick Young wrote:

    I am looking through some Danzig album pages, and ran across the 1920 issues described as "burelage with points up" and "burelage with points down". I think I know what burelage refers to, but don't know what "points up" and "points down" means. What "points" are being referred to? Thanks!

  73. Keijo wrote:

    @Rick... Here's an illustration from Michel-catalog:
    Danzig

  74. Rick Young wrote:

    Wow, I would never have thought that's what it was referring to. I googled online and didn't find anything helpful and, well, you can guess how much help Scott's was. :) Thanks!

  75. Richard Young wrote:

    Keijo, I could not find one of these items in Scott's catalog. Can you help? Thanks!

    http://fisher.osu.edu/~young.53/Wurttemburg%20stamps.jpg

  76. Keijo wrote:

    @Rick... See German States -> Wurttemberg -> Official stamps, Scott numbers O2 and O14

  77. Richard Young wrote:

    Keijo wrote:

    @Rick… See German States -> Wurttemberg -> Official stamps, Scott numbers O2 and O14

    That was easy. wonder how I missed it? Thanks!

  78. Richard Young wrote:

    Keijo wrote:

    @Rick… See German States -> Wurttemberg -> Official stamps, Scott numbers O2 and O14

    Okay, now I remember my dilemma; the numerals are different, and one was lighter brown, but Scott lists O2 as unwatermarked. Problem is, both are watermarked "circles and crosses"!

  79. Keijo wrote:

    @Rick... Only now did I notice that the left side stamp has face value is in Marks :lol: So it's O32., and the one on the right is O14.

  80. Rick Young wrote:

    Keijo wrote:

    @Rick… Only now did I notice that the left side stamp has face value is in Marks So it’s O32., and the one on the right is O14.

    That explains the different styles of the number 3. Thanks!

  81. Rick Young wrote:

    I am trying to distinguish the two types of Holsten Gate 1M, 2M, 3M and 5M from 1948-51. Scott says to count the number of horizontal lines in the stairs: Type I has 4 lines, Type II has 7 lines. I cannot be sure what they are referring to by "stairs". Would you please straighten me out? Thanks!

  82. Keijo wrote:

    @Rick... Here's what you should be looking at (this is from type II stamp):

    Germany 1948 Holsten gate stamp stair types

  83. Rick Young wrote:

    Thanks. I guess I have all Type II then (I have four of them)!

  84. Rick Young wrote:

    Rick Young wrote:

    Thanks. I guess I have all Type II then (I have four of them)!

    Let me correct myself: I have both types! It looks like besides Type II having seven lines, the stairs are narrower at the top than the Type I (which I find easier to notice). Again, thanks!

  85. Keijo wrote:

    @Rick... Lucky you. All my specimens are of type II.

  86. James Lyons wrote:

    How much would a complete set of Deutsche Reich stamps cost?

  87. Keijo wrote:

    @James... It really depends on the condition of the stamps, but even on best/worst scenario (depending on how you look at it) A LOT.

    If you weed out the most expensive issues (some classic issues, Zeppelins, Polarfahrt, Wellfare-issues, IPOSTA) and focus on building a 'simplifed' collection (just face different items; no watermark, perforation etc. differences), then a 98% completion should be possible for somewhat moderate cost.

  88. Graham Leonard wrote:

    Interesting question and one I was able to use the spreadsheet I made for my collection to answer. These values are from 2008 Scott. Michel might be better for completeness sake, though at this level Scott is only missing a handful of sets such as the Danzig and Bavaria overprints (I also find Michel prices to fanciful even compared to other catalogues).Anyway, Scott gives a total value of $26,185 for the 1,026 Deutsche Reich stamps it gives separate numbers to (MH). That drops to $6000 if you ignore individual stamps with a value of over $100 (of which there are only 37).

  89. Graham Leonard wrote:

    I went ahead and added values from the 2007/2008 Michel Deutschland to my spreadsheet: 33,420 Euros for total MH.

  90. Keijo wrote:

    @Graham... That is fabulous piece of information. I suppose you don't keep record for used specimen values as well? But based on those figures, a MH Reich collection without the 'truly expensive stamps' could be had for $500-1000 (or lower if buying bulk/collections to start with) I'd say. Not bad for a project of a lifetime.

    I also find Michel prices to fanciful even compared to other catalogues

    Isn't it always the same with all 'homecountry' catalogs?

  91. Graham Leonard wrote:

    I'm afraid that the news isn't quite as good for used.

    Scott has $42,620 for a complete used collection, or $12,355 if you don't include the 27 stamps worth more than $100.

  92. Keijo wrote:

    @Graham... There's a silver lining in every dark cloud. The number of stamps with catalog value of >100$ has gone down to 27 ;) So though more expensive in catalog value, it might be easier to accomplish.

  93. Rick Young wrote:

    I am trying to ID some Hamburg issues. Some are likely reprints or forgeries. I have a 1/2 schilling imperforate that has a clear watermark. Does that necessarily imply it is a genuine original print (Scott 1)? I also have a 1-1/4 watermarked imperforate as in Scott 9. I have a number of imperforate unwatermarked items: 2, 2-1/2, and 7 on somewhat thin paper and a 1-1/4 and 2 1/2 on thicker brown paper (as in Scott 9 and 12). Do you have a good source for sorting them out?

  94. Keijo wrote:

    @Rick... Sorry, no online resources for Hamburg at my bookmarks. But if you want, I can always send you photos/scans of the Hamburg pages from my Michel Deutchland specialized catalog (there's 4 or 5 pages in total with LOTS of German text).

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